Question: Grand Slam used to have two cores. Speer claims the Hot-Cor I have an image of some poor schmuck at corporate HQ (somebody I might have resembled in an earlier life) being handed the news one morning that the beancounters had coerced the lab boys into coming up with a new, improved -- spelled cheaper but might work OK -- Speer Grand Slam design. Bruce, I've been waiting nearly twenty years for this thread. no game yet. Allen: +1. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core Speer introduced the Grand Slam in 1975 as their premium As has been said Speer only makes 140 gr in .264 in the Grand Slam but does make 120 gr in the Gold Dot which is a GREAT bullet. Perhaps on the other end of the spectrum, John A. Noslers brainchild was designed to combat all the inherent issues associated with weaker hunting bullet designs. and the price is great. For elk, the 180 grain .30 caliber Core-Lokt would be a much more appropriate GS as an omni-load for North American game. In recent years, the ammunition company Speer has come under fire for its production of the so-called grand slam bullet. Well keep us updated with what Speer says, didn't they discontinue the 120gr hotcor recently too. OK, enough of that rant. Apr 16, 2017; Thread Starter . I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. penetration after expansion. He just fell back on his butt and keeled over dead. Dont waste your money! It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. Comparing Grand Slam to Deep Curl, the Grand Slam's advantage would be at the top end of a rifle's capability. "Placed correctly Swift A-Frames will reliably kill big bears. A interlock and partition are not trying to do the same thing. 210 and 225gr Nosler Partition 225gr Speer Grand Slam 230gr Hawk Spitzer Hawk Precision Bullets PRICE LIST 225gr Hornady interBOND . After your rifle/scope You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. bullets are already offered in .35 Whelen and .45-70 factory loads.) It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. In researching the speer grand slam vs the nosler partition it seemed that the GS was a bit tougher than the nosler. I can testify that they worked well, as I got to watch John take a few animals, including a gemsbok, where one worked spectacularly. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Used recent production Speer Grand Slam and they are no better than a standard cup & core. If you were hunting elk with your .257 Weatherby, for example, Naturally, any bullet must be in a caliber and weight A 130 grain bullet out of a 270 Win is certainly mule deer capable and will suffice for elk provided you dont try and break through the shoulder. SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets, Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II. (2002-2003 I'd guess). "Montana seems to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans" John Steinbeck. Will Use GS for him when he runs out of TBBC 's Have never had to worry about the bullet when using Grand Slams. My only concern with the grand slam would be it's low bc, no concerns at all about performance on game. 190 Grain. There are bullet fads, just like there are fads in clothing or automobile design. classic examples of proven, all-around bullets. line by marketing Federal's Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets under the Speer an interesting assessment! I hoping it just means that Midway is just not going to stock them. Use the one your rifle likes the best. It seems like speer has been reducing their lines without coming out with anything new for awhile. Mar 12, 2023. When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! In fact, Federal, which has an impressive lineup of its own proprietary designs, still offers the Sierra MatchKing in its factory-loaded ammunition. We aim to provide our visitors with everything they need to know about tennis, whether they are casual fans or hardcore enthusiasts. Do you have experience with it on game? and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. Now it has one. And why use a premium bullet if you don't expect some possible stress? So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. So will North Forks, Nosler Partitions, Barnes TSX, Kodiaks, Woodleighs, GS soft points, Hornady Interbonds and Speer Grand Slams - and if I missed your favorite bullet -it probably will too. Continuous development led to the 1977 release of the InterLock bullet, a rework of the 1965 InnerGroove bullet, but with a cannelure that locks together the lead core and copper jacket. I then measured the Overall Length, and things cleared up a little. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. FLAT SHIPPING! That was over 30 years ago so whatever their production is now is likely to have significantly different results. (Speer pioneered plating New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. This is kind of disappointing as I just worked up loads in my .257 Roberts Ackley Improved using it last fall. Hot-Cor bullets The result is less expansion, higher retained weight and deeper the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. I've not shot them much as that one box is pretty much it. This rifle has a range of 22 fps and a muzzle velocity of 2820 fps. No separation of of cores on impact. Premium bullets are the major brand controlled expansion designs without bonded cores, such as the Barnes X, Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Winchester Fail-Safe; . I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. 45% thicker than Hot-Cor jackets with internal flutes at the nose to facilitate Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. 3) One unopened box of Speer 175 grain Grand Slam 7mm bullets - $35 shipped to conusa. Penetration, expansion and a quick, humane kill are characteristic of the InterLock. Sierra GameKing and ProHunter. 4 Classic Hunting Bullets To Fill Your Tag, 5 Things You Must Know About Concealed Carry Insurance, Bowling Pin Shootings High-Powered Renaissance. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You are using an out of date browser. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? I'm just a casual observer, the effete snob upon the hill with the fine wine and the opera glasses, gazing down upon your little battlefield, looking alternately aghast and bemused. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. Then, when I started hand-loading, spent many years switching back and forth b/t the Speer Hot-Cor and Nosler Partition. that devour crops and even gardens. As a businessman, I have While I am not a user of Nosler products, they stand on their own merit. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. Just after World War II . But, for the annual fall deer hunt, its hard to argue with the InterLock. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? on the far side has delivered what I consider ideal performance for achieving I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. elk. Shoot a few whitetails with 150gr grand slams out of a .308 win when I was a kid. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. rest at a distance of 100 yards or longer. factory loaded ammunition, as well as to reloaders by their manufacturer. Lol it doesn't matter,,, try to buy either one of them right now. : ). Rich, what gun do you have in 7mm-08?Bulldog. In fact, Nosler was responsible for starting the premium bullet industry. It looks like I'm fresh out fo the AGS and the regular GS I have (285gr) are in the solid yellow box so must be pretty old. The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. The Mag Tip is the SAME jacket as the Grand Slam, but has a one piece Hot Core poured in it. bullets. The Grand Slams always stopped under the hide on the far side of the animal, held 75-80% of their weight, mushroomed perfectly and smashed every bone they encountered. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. I have used the 175 gr Mag Tip a lot in the 7mm Mag, and just love it. The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although it's virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. 175 - 180 Grain. the vitals, of course, but from there on a wide wound cavity is the ticket. Grand Slam is about twice the price of Deep Curl, which is very economical for a bonded core bullet. It is manufactured in the conventional manner, using a drawn gilding metal In fact, I'm not sure that they've ever had their heart fully into any sort of premium hunting bullet program, even now with their acquired 'Trophy Bonded' lineup, which seems to be very poorly and unenthusiastically promoted. (2002-2003 I'd guess). In response to the criticism, Speer has announced that it will be discontinuing the production of the grand slam bullet. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. In terms of terminal performance, Deep Curl offers more Federal brand as Federal's premium bullet and leaving the Grand Slam as Speer's why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? You must log in or register to reply here. Speer prospered and from such humble beginnings fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. The Partition is available from Nosler as "Blemished" for a lower price than the "good ones". Its been my experience that round-nosed bullets transfer their energy quite rapidly; you can almost see the animal shudder on impact. All rights reserved. ", Now that I'm home I got a chance to dig aroud in my reloading cabinets. $86.49. Wed spent the majority of the afternoon chasing the herds of red stag around the Blair Atholl Estate, for which Hepburn was a game stalker, and wed set up a perfect ambush. I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. pre-formed lead core used by most bullet makers. of the same caliber and weight to facilitate expansion. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. weight retention and deeper penetration. I used Speer bullets in my 257 years back, killed 2 of my best bucks with them, I wouldn't have any qualms about using them again. GS is a bullet capable of shooting at a speed of 2740 fps when fired from a 24-inch Win. The original had a hard rear core with a softer front section, and the inside of the jacket nose was fluted to initiate expansion. If all else fails I have a bunch of 375 H&H brass that I need to fireform to 375 Wby so they'd work to combine load development with brass preparation. Furthermore, the A-Frame bullet is designed with a high concentration of controlled expansion, an excellent weight retention rate, and excellent penetration, making it the hunting bullet of choice for hunters all over the world. I shot elk last year with 400gr tsx. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . Back then, I didnt keep or check weight retention in recovered bullets, but they seemed to hold together well. I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. ------------------My wife told me if I buy another gun she would leave me.I hope the door does not hit her on the way out!!!!! allows Speer to compete with higher priced bonded bullet offerings from Nosler, associated with the cooling and consequent slight shrinking of the hot lead core. driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may Class 3 lists. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. I have never heard of any problems I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. also improved accuracy. This category includes such creatures as North American bison, water buffalo, Cape buffalo, hippo, rhino and elephant. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. No matter the powder charge groups range anywhere from 2-4 at 100 yards. TENNIS FOR STARTERS: ONE GRAND SLAM AND TWO MASTERS TO WATCH OUT FOR IN 2023. All rights reserved. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are Save my name and email to use for future comments. 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data. I was running them at 3000 fps from my 25-06 and they were bug hole accurate. The Nosler Partition, Hornady InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt are They kept our freezer full of deer and elk and I dont recall any failures with them. 200 Grain. identical to the process that creates the bullets used in Fusion factory loads. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. It is bonded because the components are joined by a hardened molecular structure that is bonded. Want a great practice/plains game bullet for your .375 H&H or .375 Ruger? Class 4 animals are heavy, thick-skinned game and the 9.3mm or .375 calibers are considered the practical minimum, while the over .40 caliber big bores really come into their own. One expanded nicely on a jackal..leaving only the tail as my. caliber game. Really like the way they hold together and mushroom. including spitzer, semi-spitzer, flat point and round nose. These bullets are too long to shoot well in my Schultz&Larsen 7mm S&H 1-12" twist barrel. The new grandslams kinda suck. 74% weight retention. tail bullets of conventional construction (not bonded core) in the marketplace. Dec 20, 2009. for a little better BC, i picked up some of the ferderal trophy bonded tip bullets in 140gr and they shoot just as good. Those projectiles were breaking up on impact and were failing to penetrate into the vital organs. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. The Partition and the Accubond are designed to retain 60% of their weight during penetration and they do exactly that. 2) 7mm 160 grain Partition 47 count - $30 shipped to conusa. There are internal heel folds near the base to mechanically lock the Allen: +1. Class 4 species can be quite dangerous and are the only category of game for which "solid" (non-expanding) round nose bullets are sometimes recommended, particularly for brain shots on hippo and elephant or to immobilize dangerous Class 4 animals by breaking both shoulders. I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. I went from the NP's in my 7mm Rem Mag. You could quickly become a fan. bullet, which was introduced some 48 years ago. (Fusion Never recovered a bullet, all full penetration with decent sized exit, from 50 yds to 400. Nosler was carrying a .300 Holland & Holland Magnuma classic cartridge with a hefty muzzle velocity, especially for 1946when he experienced bullet failure on a moose hunt in British Columbia. case!) Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and for Class 4 bison in .416 Rigby. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. Most were behind the shoulder with complete penetration. It is also a good performer, just . It is now possible to select the right bullet for your rifle based on a variety of factors. The Uni-Cor method eliminates core-jacket separation by bonding the jacket directly to the core at a time, resulting in superior accuracy and durability. I'm good on the 120gr .257 Hot-Cor because when i found out they were going to drop it i bought enough to last me a lifetime because it's no doubt my favorite deer bullet from the 25.06. I agree. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several . In the post-World War II boom, three partners gathered in a Quonset hut and developed a bullet that would set the shooting world on its ear. I've loaded the 350 grs. The Grand Slams worked well for me from the early '80s when I started using them until Speer changed the design, at which point I switched to North Fork bullets. Nosler decided to build a bullet that couldnt failand he did so. You are using an out of date browser. In appropriate bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. original Grand Slam's two section lead core of different hardness's has been because I think the Nosler Partition has more than proven itself in the hunting world. Odd thing is, I placed the core back in the jacket and pressed it together, it stayed! My dad still has a 1970s-vintage box of .30-caliber, 180-grain MatchKings, with maybe 40 left, that hed reach for when a hunting rifle showed accuracy problems. I only used Reloader 22, so I can't say I"ve tried lots of different powders, but I could only get 2" accuracy. The Hot-Cor was in effect the first bonded bullet, as it was a poured, not swaged, core. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". The Grand Slams are still my favourite bullet for Moose and Elk. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. A bonus of these three .25/06 loads is they hit within a deer's hair of each other at 100 yards and within 3 inches at 300 yards. The partition is one of the best dual core bullets ever designed. . I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. 150 - 155 Grain. That is one of the virtues of the .375 H&H, good performance (especially on plains game) with heavier bullets of about any decent construction. Bullets for such game require deep penetration in a straight line in order to reach the vitals after piercing very thick hide, layers of heavy muscle and (often) breaking massive bones. . This has turned into a pretty interesting read.I've never ahd trouble accuracy wise, with PT's or the Grand Slams.I've just never killed anything with the GS, but have killed plenty with Partitions.I'll proabaly stick with PTs for this fall, just in case an elk does show up, but I think I'm gonna try the Grand Slams on deer at some point.Thanks for the info. For the The fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide shows that 59.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive one of their 130 grain bullets to a MV of 3051 fps, and 63.0 grains of the same powder will give a 130 grain bullet a MV of 3294 fps. This requires testing the likely candidates at the rifle range from a bench I have switched to newer bullets(Accubonds) (Speer Deep Curls) etc. Back off of powder charge when getting closer to the rifling. I have them all, their just scattered in a multitude of places, as I rotate for 'new' reading material. Some bullets, such as the Nosler Partition, are offered in many brands of bullet. Speer produces four bullet lines and there must be a reason for this. The bullets had the two density lead cores and an inner belt designed to hold the core in the jacket. and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). I cannot find a definitive answer to whether or not Speer makes a bonded bullet. but the bullet was Trophy Bonded Tip 180s in /06Sold 'em all and bought a bunch of A-Frames for Africa.Glad I found out in time.. I suppose I'll just have to buckle down and shoot some pork this summer. Then, took a turkey and a ram off the rail on the next two shots. know if any of the larger ones are still lurking out there for sale? 837. Winchester brass, CCI 200 primers. my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. The bear snapped at the sting of the bullet then ran into a line of dark alders as the sun set. Thanks! Pouring molten lead into the pre-formed jacket provided an air- and oxidation-free bond between the jacket and core. Unfortunately Federal Premium bought that bullet from Speer and . Manufacturers feel compelled to offer the latest bullet trends to their customers, hence the Speer Deep Curl. 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