Come and get it!" Mike is a pivotal player in a previous life of mine. If a band leader had any energy left over to encourage others, they could, and it's good to include people. His aunt hounds him for autographs at funerals. When I heard from Mike, I almost said, Thats probably not a good fit, but I appreciate the offer. But it got untenable. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame drummer-turned-successful songwriter/producer (for Don Henley, The Eagles, The Mavericks, Ringo Starr, and Tim McGraw, among others) and tree farmer (a gig he describes as part Zen, part holding on for dear life, and not unlike playing with Bob Dylan) is an opinionated, intelligent guy who doesnt mince words or sugarcoat memories. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. It doesn't mean that they suck; it means that that particular season they were reading the pitches all wrong! Tons of them. The interview was conducted by Jeff Sims, guitarist of the Dixie Desperados and lifelong friend of Lynch's. Lynch and Sims attended Westwood Middle School in the 1960s and would play music. I'd be in a band with him tonight if he'd let me. I just couldnt. My cat could have a record deal! And it hasn't taken me very seriously. Pick up the May 2008 issue of Modern Drummer at music stores, book stores, and newsstands everywhere! We're a rock band! Rolling Stone is a part of Penske Media Corporation. Then I heard him at a gig talking to a guy in another band. You just have to be man enough to hear it, rather than keep trying to change it. And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. ', Editors picks Attachments. I felt like, perhaps, Id made all the noise I could. As a fan, I have to grumble that Pettys never been given quite the same level of respect as, say, Bruce Springsteen. It's like, Mick needs Keith. That happens when the pain becomes too much and you live in a world, in a culture, where people have reached in the direction of heroin to stop the pain. For now, though, this feature on one of rocks most tasteful timekeepersa true player of the songwill do, for theres plenty to discuss with Lynch. He hopes hell get another chance to play with Campbell in the future, but he says hes ready for whatever happens. They get busy trying to control the story. I really tried to put on the school tie, man, I tried like hell for the last five years. That's all it was about for me. Within twenty-four hours, I was talking to Don and he said, Man, what are you doing? But one of you is gonna change, because you can't coexist in those two different universes. Last week, Stan Lynch was interviewed atthe Matheson Museum in Gainesville, Florida. When the director of Goodfellas decided to make Personality Crisis, a documentary about David Johansen and his alter ego, Buster Poindexter, he wanted it to be a family affair. . The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. That is what I thought rock'n'roll was. I wasnt a good story. When I hear that old shit on the radio I can't believe that it's part of the musical vernacular, that it's been accepted for so long as real. It became like, "Well that's pretty stupid that he's not acknowledging this." Jimmy Iovine is known to have obsessed over the drum sound in Pettys 1979 album Damn the Torpedos, which Iovine produced, and Lynch became the object of his frustration. And I wonder if you have any idea what the core values are that have helped you to stay sane, and also to grow as a person as you've gotten older and avoid becoming stagnant or bitter.Well I have those days.stagnant and bitter, that would describe several weeks of the year. It's like, for me, "Thank God Tom sold a lot of records 'cause now I can enjoy making music!". I mean, for me it's as pathetic as it sounds, and it's true: this is my social life, what I do for a living. He makes a big noise wherever he goes. When he gets married, its the same thing. But if you changed you'd be compromising what you've been all about. It was just, it was never that harsh to me! And then I was working with Rick Rubin on a session I think it. And he did it very respectfully. And then kind of pushed me in. And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. I have regrets. Later on, Stan Lynch worked with many other prominent names like the Eagles, Eddie Money, Toto, and Ringo Starr. I had gotten the phone call signifying one part of my life was over. Drummer Talk 273 So you want to MD! Better to have rocked and lost than never to have rocked at all [laughter]. In other words, he won't shut up! I was on my fuckin knees, staring at the sky. I get a good chapter out of this. 'Cause I mean, an artistic life is a pretty bizarre life anyway, a lot of artists don't ever get paid till they're dead, they're not even noticed - and even then! Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Just listened to an interview with Jimmy Iovine on the Howard Stern Show last year. And he said, This is really good. He sounded just like Tom Petty when he said it. And some bands that have been together for 10 minutes, it's 10 minutes too long, and some bands that have been together for 20 years are just right. Completely separate from all that, of course, is the fact that Stan Lynch really is an extremely great drummer. Yes. No, he goes out and plays the songs that he wrote. All you need is a CD burner and $300 and you too can have your record on the Internet. Man, we used to have a joke in the first band I was in, which was: lower your goals and succeed! No matter how hard I tried, they saw through me! Sojust pick a time. Unless there's other people that recognize it, that go, "Oh, he's in a cycle.". I dont know how thats going to feel. ', I dont give a shit what were playing, adds Lynch. I had to remind myself that I was full-grown man. The eleven-year-old who first heard Breakdown was always close. I was ashamed. This article was published more than7 years ago. During his tenure as a Heartbreaker, Lynch became intimately familiar with both the ups and the downs of working in a rock band. But Petty was always just the right fit, for me, my brother, my sister and my mother. . I didnt need to be that way. Another intense moment in the show is Southern Accents. Midway through the tour, Campbell changed the lyrics from Theres a dream I keep having where my mama comes to me/And kneels over by the window and says a prayer for me to Theres a dream I keep having where my brother comes to me Its a change of just one word, but its had a profound impact on the crowd. That was probably cut more around the time of Greatest Hits in 1993, but it fits in. In Lynchs mind, it was a Heartbreakers song. And Im a guy that always wanted to be in a band. [laughs] You know, but back in the day - here we go, Grandpa Shitpants speaks - in 1970, to have a record deal meant something, that was a discriminator: "Well I have a band" "No wait, I have a band and we're signed!" I reintroduced myself. Petty spent the downtime recording his solo album Wildflowers with producer Rick Rubin and every member of the Heartbreakers besides Stan Lynch, a decision that did not sit well with the drummer. Petty is a rock star who is also a member of a band that has been together since the mid-seventies, and it is difficult to be one without undermining the other. #10. He didnt ever get a trampoline out and do a backflip. So it was no small surprise in late 2021 when Lynch picked up his phone one day and heard Campbells voice on the other end. He then joined Eagles for 'Hell Freezes Over' and went on tour with. A series of writing projects followed, which lead to Petty asking Zanes to write the biography. So Denny, in that perfect English accent, he blows a big cloud of smoke and says, Stan, if you leave all that shit behind and just play the groove, theyll always misinterpret you as tasteful. That was brilliant. But it must be more difficult for the person who's been successful for a long time on their own terms, and then all of a sudden something fails.Yeah, you don't sell records. And in five minutes or so, Tom Petty comes out. But, in his own way, he said, I just dont want to go back there. Merrill Lynch CEO Stan O'Neal, shown in a 2003 file photo, is a numbers person in what is, at its heart, a people business. Stan Lynch had a different take on the situation. You keep this band together. I knew that there was the capacity within that group to push boundaries, he says. Stan had never heard me sing before, and he was the main harmony singer with Tom. If I ran a record label, probably one of the first things I'd do is drop half the roster. The band loudly declared their love for Petty at their shows. And you just let him go. Youre at Pettys house at a Christmas party. It's usually somebody that has the seed of an idea that he's gonna protect. They werent officially named the Heartbreakers until they came together in Los Angeles in 1976. But a lot of that has calmed down. All I know is that I have very selective memory about the whole experience, very positive. At 45, Stan Lynch appears to be comfortably making the transition from archetypal wild rock drummer to trusted elder statesman - all the while retaining the same enthusiasm that made him stand out as a drummer, showing a keen interest in helping young artists through the struggles of building a career. Or, you know - go grow avocados for a year! So he tells me hes taking me to a Bob Marley & The Wailers gig, and he flips me the keys to his Ferrari. The tension that followed played a significant role in his ultimate departure from the band. Id drive up; gate opens. He had had encounters with people who did heroin, and he hit a point in his life when he did not know what to do with the pain he was feeling. It wasn't a valid thing, there was no business to back me up on that. 2023 Cond Nast. He described us as not his main gig. And I said "Hey man, it must be fun working with so-and-so", and he goes, "Yeah, thank God I sold a shitload of records 'cause now I can hang around and make records till the money runs out!" So you pick a really good time, when everybody's sober, when you've got everyone's attention, and usually you preface it with a lot of love and caring, or a desire to see a full life with them. Ive thought about having different singers up there doing the songs, but why? I didn't know that there were good and bad ways to make it. Last week, Stan Lynch was interviewed at the Matheson Museum in Gainesville, Florida. Is it better to take time off, or work through it until it comes back, or?Call a friend. I wish somebody had told me that. www.moderndrummer.com "You're never fired, you're just not asked to do the next thing". I don't get the angst. You can actually remain on the pedestal that youve earned as an artist. Now, if you're trying to tailor your work to the widest possible audience, then I don't know if you can reconcile those two things. All rights reserved. Christ, you're kidding! by Robyn Flans. I think I have some Tom nuances in my voice. Stan Lynch page 3.jpg. We grew up loving Tom Petty more than his contemporaries. Lynchs current shows with Campbell will end in June. Theyre all playing but stop because this kid ran into the room with this Beatles magazine. Years later, Petty, fascinated by the Dusty Springfield book Zanes wrote, invited him to dinner and rekindled their friendship. It was very high level, a lot of looks behind the eyes that said entire paragraphs, and they were all good. His last words to me where, I heard you, man. Tom Petty was always part of the bands DNA. And therefore if I'm gonna sell I have to play to the means. The classic situation of midlife pinning a person down to the mat. And yelling and protesting. His only encounter with Petty in the years that followed took place in 2002 at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, and the only communication he can recall from guitarist Mike Campbell in the two decades since that night was a brief phone call in 2017 shortly after Petty died. When Tom Petty was asked to describe original Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch in the 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty, the bandleader responded with, "Stan. It was almost like in Men In Black. Other guys in the band were going like [growling], "Nobody lets me sleep anymore. Id gone from Madison Square Garden to being a bike mechanic. He was working on a bike when he first heard Runnin Down a Dream, from Pettys 1989 album Full Moon Fever. And I thought, There he goes. And there was always great coffee. But Saturday night in Boulder, Colorado, he was right back where he should be - backing up Mike Campbell and playing Tom Petty songs. We have the same musical pulse we always had, says Campbell. But I don't know why other people really get burned by it, it really hurts them. In light of your experience of being in a band for so long, what advice would you give to band leaders to help the chemistry; what do you think is the best possible way to bring out everybody's creativity in a band situation?The truth of the matter is the best bands, including the Beatles and the Stones and the Who, have a core of creative fire to them that needs to be nurtured before the other people need to be nurtured. And he died soon after. If I look up and see Mike Campbells butt in front of my drum kit, its kind of like Im home., Opening night in Boulder was heavy on material from the two Dirty Knobs albums, but they also dipped into the Heartbreakers catalog with songs like Refugee, Runnin Down a Dream, Southern Accents, and You Wreck Me. As the days went by, they started sprinkling in additional oldies like Listen to Her Heart, When the Time Comes, and Casa Dega., Im still learning to be a singer, says Campbell. Id need you to play a leg of the tour. The angst actuallywhat draws most people in drives me away. Receive updates & special offers from Modern Drummer and our advertising partners. It's funny, you know, working in a band is a chop; it's just another chop. I was still young and I didnt really understand what he meant by groove and feel. I remember asking Denny, What does that mean, can you quantify that? Very few go forever, you know. I know Im not a great singer, but I can get the point across, he says. If I had a record label, I'd sign him. One day, Pettys manager, Tony Dimitriades, called Zanes out of the blue and said that Tom had read Dusty in Memphis and wanted to have dinner the next time Warren was in L.A. For Zanes, who had a new baby at home in Cleveland, It was all I could do not to leave right then. When they did meet, Petty said that the Dusty book had inspired a song, and that he wanted Zanes to come to his house to hear it. MD: The Heartbreakers worked with a unique mix of producers over the years. But I don't know if you've jumped through enough hoops and had enough discipline to make a record worth listening to unless you are Jimi Hendrix. So I think a smart band leader has gotta be a good casting agent and a benevolent dictator. I keep going back to this band and I cant help but feel like the reason the Heartbreakers wont die, cant die, is because Pettys family was so dysfunctional. I had to forget all that. And thats not a judgment on Bruce. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time, In some small ways, the experience mirrored a very difficult time in Lynchs career with the Heartbreakers when Petty cut 1989s Full Moon Fever as a solo album and asked the band to learn the songs and tour it with him. 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. He said, I want it to be yours. Andrew Witmer Now, what records should I produce that will sell to them?" When a Tom Petty record came out, it was an event. It has a special vibe when its just the two of you. And so we started closing the show with it. All rights reserved. 90.9 KB Views: 172. So we're even! But it hasn't taken over your soul.No, no. We never even tried one of my songs., When the tour ended, Zanes left the band and went back to New England, drifted around, and ended up in New Orleans, where he became a bike mechanic. We played with X, we played with Gun Club, but we never stopped loving Tom Petty, Zanes said. Thats kind of the Heartbreakers code. I never knew how it got there, but it sure wasnt left over from the night before. And when it happens, its certainly a big deal. But usually, in all of those great bands, there's a lot of creative contribution by all of the musicians. I remember when the other guys I was working with would say, "We're only making 300 a week!" Lynch reflecting on his time in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: There were many things that were not said that should have been said. So you never bought into the whole idea that rock'n'roll is just for rebellious kids?No, it wasn't a personal rebellion for meit was a joy and also a way for me to draw attention to myself [laughter], which was what I always wanted to do. I have real hills and valleys; I know it's hard to get along with guys like me sometimes too. So I think that sorta nailed it on the head, I heard that and I never forgot it. That extends to interviews. The behind-the-scenes look at my books, from research adventures to promotion gambles. Stanley Joseph "Stan" Lynch (born May 21, 1955) is an American musician, songwriter and record producer. Drummer, producer and songwriter Stan Lynch's career reads like a rock'n'roll fairy tale: from 1975 to 1994, as a founding member of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Lynch toured around the world, enjoyed a string of hit records, and gained high acclaim as a drummer's drummer among his peers. University - Staff Department: Chemistry Position: Science & Engineering Assoc (650) 725-0245 (office) Additional Info . So that guy who is hellbent on keeping things together, because that is who he is, keeps his band together. having this conversation," he said in a 2003 interview with Newsweek. Well that was one of the best interviews ever John! A totally different sound, yet completely him., Zanes enrolled in Loyola and spent the next twelve years in universities, eventually getting a Ph.D. from Rochester University in Cultural Studies. ), Looking back at that intense time all these years later, Lynch says he wishes hed handled the situation a bit differently. I know there's a very depressive side of me that, if I let it, as high as I can get on something, I can go just as far down. Warren himself had been a Tom Petty fan since he was eleven, when he heard Breakdown on WBCN in Boston. Songwriter, musician. I said, How do you digest two albums worth of material? They went, Thats Wednesday for me. Bissonette was going, You chart them out. Otherwise it can becomeit's just fetishism, it's just "This is my personal fantasy"of what everyone will love. Don Henley Called Stan Lynch As He Wanted To Record His New Album Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer and famous record producer Stan Lynch has worked with various bands and musicians, such as the Eagles, the Byrds, Bob Dylan, Stevie Nicks, and many more. My shot out was that I was gonna be a rock drummer! [laughs], But I'll bet you're glad you stayed that way.I think it's the only wayto thine own self be true [laughs]. . I said, Im probably losing it, I dont know. He said, When The Eagles broke up, I was thirty-three. [laughter] And the trick is to stay out of your own way, and to stay out of everybody else's way. So you spend so much energy worrying about itif I knew at 20 that, hell, I was gonna be okay, and be sitting in front of the fire at 45God, I could have saved myself so many gray hairs and brain blowouts, you know! Original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch recently joined an interview with Rolling Stone. Thus, the rocker said he has tons of regrets regarding his time with the band. To me, it was like, "Who gives a fuck? Petty gave him complete editorial freedom, and told him that he could interview whomever he liked, because thats how Tom Petty does things. Pettys only condition was that he get to read the completed manuscript and be given the opportunity to respond to anything he felt needed it. Location. All rights reserved; all wrongs avenged! 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But I think he did because hes had his own experiences with books that portray his heroes as humans. Stan Lynch. Ive seen enough that I know that I dont need to see much more Bigger isnt better.. So I'd say on the way to success: doubt. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers play 'Learning To Fly' at drummer Stan Lynch's final gig, Flashback: Tom Pettys Last Dance With Drummer Stan Lynch, Watch Bob Dylan Play Not Fade Away as His Grateful Dead Tribute Week in Japan Continues, Inside One Bands Absurd, Infuriating Legal Nightmare, Hear Bob Dylan Break Out The Grateful Deads Truckin at Tokyo Concert, Toosii Brings Roses and Your 'Favorite Song' to Tonight Show, Justin Bieber Shares Heartfelt Message to Frank Ocean After Coachella Set, Bad Bunny Sets the Record Straight on Harry Styles Coachella Tweet, J-Hope Shares Buzzcut, Special Message for Fans Ahead of MilitaryEnlistment, Ankle Injury Messed Up Frank Ocean's Coachella Set, Source Claims. Theres more to this interview! Here are a couple of albums Stan has worked on that are worth checking out: Barry Sides "Broken Hearts Broken Strings", Dixie Desperados , Drew Copeland and Gregg McMillan's first solo album. They Took a Third Date to Costa Rica. Below Deck Sailing Yachts Daisy Kelliher Is the Best Chief Stew. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. At the end of the process, as was their agreement, Zanes sent Petty the book, and then flew out to California to hear his judgment in person. It wouldn't sound the same if it wasn't Keith Moon playing the drums.Oh absolutely, but at the same time, it's Pete Townshend protecting his idea. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time In addition to academic papers on rock, he wrote the 33 and 1/3 book on Dusty Springfields album Dusty in Memphis. Around 2000, he stopped listening to new musicexcept for Tom Petty. But they're in it for a different ride. If anyone is going to think heroin is an option because they know my story of using heroin, I cant do this. And I just had to work with him and say, I think youre going to come off as a cautionary tale rather than a romantic tale. But I wanted to show that Tom Petty is a man who lived the bulk of his life in the album cycle. He wrote songs, they recorded those songs, they put a record together with artwork, they released it, and they went out on the road to support it. They Took a Third Date to Costa Rica. He now resides in St. Augustine, Florida, not far from his and his former bandmates' home town of Gainesville. The idea for a new unauthorized Tom Petty biography came from a surprising source: Tom Petty. I dont know what it would mean to them since they have a lot more miles than I do, but it would be a joy for me., Campbell says hes not ready for something like that. Show that Tom Petty comes out I just dont want to go back there loving Tom Petty and the until! 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