We had a huge evolution in our mission, which is actually reflected in our mission statement. Stanford had purchased this big old cannery right next door, the Hovden Cannery, where the aquarium is now located. She has been working for this network for more than two decades. It's not going away anytime soon, so let's work to make it better. We're all marine biologists. We have myriad scientific research papers on tunas and sharks, the stuff we like to eat and the scary stuff, this Mola, which is like the coolest looking animal ever, no data whatsoever. Packard spent much time outdoors, and was always very curious; as a student at University of California, Santa Cruz, her biology professor said she was able to synthesize and ask great questions. Executive Director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Growing up, probably like most kids in the fifties, my dad worked all the time. The ocean absorbs something like twenty-five percent of the carbon emissions. She is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and is a recipient of the Audubon Medal. 3 Net Worth and Salary of Julie Martin as of 2022. Those changes are happening already. How did that come to be? Biggest thing Americans eat: farm shrimp, farm salmon, and so both of those products are really bad news in terms of the environment. She speaks at conferences and symposia related to ocean conservation, and writes online about current issues. We want the aquarium to be a comfortable place for everyone to come and have a great day. He loved driving tractors. You should be. Julia Enright of 171 Packard Hill Road, Ashburnham was indicted Dec. 21 on a charge of first-degree murder in the slaying of 20-year-old Brandon Chicklis of Westminster on or about June 23 in Ashburnham. We're asking you for the aquarium visitors to be part of the parking district, which is a gold mine for the city. We recommend you to check the complete list of Famous People born on . We're just celebrating thirty-five years this year. Not just having to do with money, but just in general, the privileges that we had, of course, which he created for the family. It was important to find a good husband. Ask questions. Julie, 54,. Her most fond experiences as a student were early mornings wearing hip waders, combing through algae and animals of the intertidal zone. The farm salmon, they get diseases that people are concerned can spread to wild salmon in areas where wild salmon exist. [5] Her sister, Nancy Burnett, also has a degree in marine biology, and her father helped design the facility's infrastructure. But as I did my research on you, one of the most interesting things is you are the antithesis of a trust fund baby, but you are the daughter of the first one who created Silicon Valley, but you're not a trust fund baby. With her father, David Packard, the co-founder of Hewlett-Packard, she planted a vegetable garden every year. They were harvesting and canning just tens of millions of tons of sardines. He just had an incredible library of just the biggest array of subject matter from calculating, plumbing types for his irrigation system, to the future of the defense industry in Russia. A few ideas about the aquarium were different than other aquariums before. Julie was known for her recreation of Julia Child's recipes in her cookbook, Mastering One, first of all, most aquariums are rows and rows of fish tanks. Nothing likes to eat it. I would say the whole seafood movement and the improvement in sustainable seafood, U.S. consumers making the right choice, has driven a huge amount of business change. Guy Kawasaki: "[17][18][6] A portrait of Packard, painted by Hope Gangloff, will be displayed at the National Portrait Gallery in Washington, D.C. between 2019 and 2020. Most public aquariums are on city property, or they're funded by the city, or they're partially funded by the city, or they got an operating subsidy, so we're just, "Hello. [2] A species of coral, Gersemia juliepackardae, is named in her honor for "her dedication to ocean stewardship and conservation, and for elevating public awareness about the ocean environment. We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. I mean, all of that CO2 uptake by those tiny plants, if the ocean's dead, that's not happening. Thanks to the Remarkable People Podcast team of, Jeff Seih, Peg Fitzpatrick, Marley Morgan and Neil Pearlberg. It looks like a big dinner plate with a fin sticking up off the top and the bottom. You have almost forty million people living here in the state, and this looks so great. Julie Packard: We're in the continuum of organizations working on this issue of over-fishing, which is a serious problem and something that we know how to fix. She is currently single. That's probably all you need to know about it for the moment, but I'm always happy to talk more about it. They were so cool. The four of them were invertebrate zoologists, and I studied marine algae. We need to continue to be that place that's open to all. Guy Kawasaki: I mean, that's the reason to work on it. Guy Kawasaki: If they hadn't done that, and if I had to tell Julie Packard that I lost the file, and if she had said, Tough luck, there would not be this podcast. 842: The number of Foundation grants given out in 2017. Wah This bay was just an inspiration. powered by. My dad was incredibly humble. The book later became a motion picture starring Meryl Streep and Amy Adams. Even though I swim really slowly, I can't keep up, I can't get out of the way. I want my grandkids to see them, and I want us all to-- I want humanity to survive and thrive as long as we can on this planet. Not to be a downer, but it's big. Things were very different back then. I think that's all true. Guy Kawasaki: Stay tuned, and you'll soon find out. But in the end, the people around the table wereYou kind of can't argue with, Okay, the ocean things are getting dire. Lucile Packard (1914-1987) and her husband, David (1912-1996), co-founder of Hewlett Packard Company, were dedicated to children and were the driving force behind the development of Lucile Packard Children's Hospital. Ray. She wasn't an outdoorsy, nature lover like my dad. New Tab She graduated with a bachelor's degree in biology in 1974, and a Master of Arts in 1978, focusing on marine algae. An American meteorologist, Julie Martin is the current weather anchor of The Weather Channel. The final thing I'd say about my dad, he would listen to anyone. But my dad, if there was one message I got from him was, Don't be a slacker. Much of that know-how she's passed along to the next generation of her own family. That was modeled for us majorly, the idea of giving back and engaging in your community. That's a little backstory about the site of the aquarium, which is amazing. something productive? Scroll back to top Pretty much, we're okay, and local fish. You'd sell the fresh fruit. Nothing like that? View Perspective. For her, it was about being supportive, raising your kids with manners and good values, but we had a great place to grow up. Wah I guess on top of it, you have countries where people are moving up in the middle-class, and it is really increasing demand for beef and meat. They had the idea that this would be just a super cool thing to do with this old cannery and that, in Monterey, there was no place for all the tourists to learn anything about the bay, and yet that's why they came there. Julie Powell is an American author known for her bestselling book Julie & Julia:365 Days, 524 Recipes as well as 1 Tiny Apartment Kitchen. Born Los Altos, California. He believed that, and my mother actually ran the foundation early on as a volunteer and was very involved as a community volunteer. Getty Julie Chen has said she supports her husband Les Moonves amid sexual harassment allegations and the two are still together. She is from American. Julie entered the career as Biologist In her early life after completing her formal education.. I buy it. The fish can escape and breed with a wild fish and pollute the gene pool. It's a Wonderful Life. We proceeded to put together a board of local community leaders and scientists from around, we have such an amazing scientific community here around the bay, science leaders, and family members and hired architects and exhibit design consultants, and a crazy array of specialized consulting help that you need to put together an esoteric kind of institution like an aquarium, and set ourselves to planning this aquarium. No one seems to care about this poor fish. Everyone thought the project sounded great-- what a gift to the community! Thank you, Michael and Caitlyn, Jeff, Peg, Marley, Neil, Kevin, Terry, and Will. Actually, the best thing consumers can do-- we've done so much public opinion polling about this whole seafood thing. This is the farmer's market on Sunday? Nanette Packard, who was convicted of directing her ex-NFL lover to kill her millionaire fiance, told ABC News in an exclusive interview that she still carries "a lot of guilt over what happened . The main things are: salmon farms use a lot of antibiotics. Around that time, then we realized this was really a big deal. I mean, all of that CO2 uptake by those tiny plants, if the ocean's dead, that's not happening. We can all do a little more. My parents put up the capital, $55 million to build it. Read top and most recent tweets from his Twitter account here You needed to maintain a low profile at the dinner table, and he'd always win every argument with you. It's got really thick skin. The same thing can happen with plastic too. You seem excited and optimistic, whereas you read this gigantic Pacific island plastic patch or what is the greatest threat to the ocean? We wanted to-- we thought we could remodel the building. Number one. One of the things that's been really tough on all of our local fishing communities along the coast of the U.S. is all this imported seafood, because no one's buying local seafood anymore. It's not going away, if we can do it right, let's go for it. We wanted to just make it a more interesting and engaging experience, have more interactive kind of hands-on interpretations. I know everyone's very concerned about that. We need to continue to be that place that's open to all. Whether from animals, big to small, that have calcium in their cell walls and their shells, that can't form, but also just physiological systems that we don't even We're just beginning to understand what those might be. For me personally, though, you have to understand, I came of age in the sixties, and that was a time when there was just a lot of unrest, a lot of protesting about the military industrial complex, and HP was a big defense contractor. It was just local politics. The climate change is a huge deal and sort of the mother of all issues. A couple of the more business oriented ones were a little concerned that, Okay, this is going to sound like we're going to become an advocacy organization, or Sounds like NRDC, or some super lefty conservation, environmental agitators. It was important to find a good husband? It's an amazing place. Guy Kawasaki: She speaks at conferences and symposia related to ocean conservation, and writes online about current issues. They're the old-school kind to grow in the Valley of the heart's delight, which is what they called Santa Clara Valley because great fruit-growing. Seafood Watch rating system is based on published, available research. We have an incredible network of protected lands, protected coastal lands. One of which was to-- he had a seawater system. We had opposition, but that's a whole other story. Enter your name and email address below and I'll send you periodic updates about the podcast. I personally, I always tried to maintain a really low profile about kind of-- t the time my dad's company, because of the political times, there was controversy around it. Not to be a downer, but it's big. I mean, I don't know that's kind of mother job description 101. That we did in the mid-nineties, right after we had opened our open sea wing and taken our story offshore to connect with the broader ocean. Packard joined other members of her family in the undertaking to create Monterey Bay Aquarium. Absolutely. Finally, special thanks to Michael and Caitlyn Tee of Crate. One was: we didn't want people to be in a one-way path. All of that's happened because voters care. It's not going away anytime soon, so let's work to make it better. Now, tech has sort of just revered as everyone's in love with it, but Here's how the story happened. Where could you spend time to help the planet? The United States imports eighty percent of the seafood we eat and we export ninety percent of the seafood that we catch. I want my grandkids to see them, and I want us all to-- I want humanity to survive and thrive as long as we can on this planet. You look out over the valley, there was of course hardly any urbanization at all, and so it was very rural and a lot quieter back then, of course. Julie Packard: As part of her role at Monterey Bay Aquarium, Packard was instrumental in the creation of the sustainable seafood advisory list, Seafood Watch, and its endeavor to prevent the import of seafood harvested through slavery. Guy Kawasaki: It's gotten to where we need to really make it official or do something, kind of codify it more." Kind of like my dad, he invented a lot of new technology for sardine canning to make it go faster and to make the product better. The Biologist with a large number of Twitter followers, with whom she shares her life experiences. Google Images. That's the most important thing. They voted. The building was built in 1916. As part of her role at Monterey Bay Aquarium, Packard was instrumental in the creation of the sustainable seafood advisory list, Seafood Watch, and its endeavor to prevent the import of seafood harvested through slavery. Well, other than Facebook We wanted to-- we thought we could remodel the building. I don't know if any of the listeners have been to Pueblo, but there's not a whole lot going on. Jellies have super low metabolism, and they can live in really funky conditions. People need to get out and engage and get the right people in charge of these decisions because our environment is a comment, but something that society needs to decide for the benefit of everyone, what the rules are. Is it sustainable? They don't eat-- there's not even a distribution system, to be honest. Julie Anne Harris Packard, 81, of Morristown, passed away Monday, Nov. 23, 2015 at Heritage Center. I mean, they were just-- you can still see, sadly, not many, but you can still see some remnants in cannery row of some of those old buildings. Animals are going to leave me. We spent our summers in the orchard cutting the apricots to make dried apricots to sell. I am an elementary music teacher. You can find them. With her father, David Packard, the co-founder of Hewlett-Packard, she planted a vegetable garden every year. Guy Kawasaki: The building, actually, was registered on what's called the Historic American Engineering Record that we have document all of his canning technology. A sea water intake line that went into that building just like the aquarium does. As the water becomes more acidic, it's just going to cause-- it already is causing-- changes. Wouldn't that say, Well, don't eat from local fisheries because they're fishing right here and reducing our population right here? That came out with a yes. With that, we incorporated a new foundation, the Monterey Bay Aquarium Foundation to plan, build and operate this aquarium. I mean, there's just a lot of good stuff going on. You should be. May 29, 2022 in michael long obituary. If I'm a 2000 pound Mola, I'm pretty safe. Not hard enough? Our challenge and the, the beauty of what we do is that we have this amazing institution that inspires people, that can inspire people, through connections with living animals and discovering the ocean, the real thing. We're not asking you for any operating subsidy. Some of the people were like absolute advocates, helping me push that through. I don't have any stories. Executive Director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium. That we did in the mid-nineties, right after we had opened our open sea wing and taken our story offshore to connect with the broader ocean. Initial studies projected 350,000 visitors a year. Most aquariums are in the dark when you think about it. She was quite proper. It's the only place where we're still extracting, at least certainly the industrialized world is, still extracting wildlife on a market basis. Julie's sister, Nancy, Nancy's husband, and a couple of friends came up with the concept of an aquarium. The "Pretty Woman" star, 53, and the cinematographer, 52, were spotted . The idea behind that, being that the end game, the end goal, of the whole institution and everything we do is about ocean conservation, but the word inspire in there is really important because we're a public institution, and our best asset for achieving that goal in the ocean is the aquarium itself. I'm just really happy that I've had the opportunity so far in continuing to open people's eyes to this, what I like to call the other part of the planet that we've just now woken up to, that makes humanity able to exist here on this beautiful earth. It came from another country because in the U.S., the U.S market, which is-- we're, I think, the third biggest market for seafood in the world now. The deal was that operate on its own. It didn't use to be, but if you want to really play it safe, buy something caught in the U.S fishery, because at least we have regulations and even our fisheries that were depleted, they're recovering. Guy Kawasaki: That's happening. Eventually, this led to her father and mother investing $55 million to fund what is now. Sure, were a lot of the education programs. Julie has four children: William, Nestor, Emma, and Jack. Guy Kawasaki: People need to get out and engage and get the right people in charge of these decisions because our environment is a comment, but something that society needs to decide for the benefit of everyone, what the rules are. Biggest thing Americans eat: farm shrimp, farm salmon, and so both of those products are really bad news in terms of the environment. What would it environmentalist say against you? How would I say it? It doesn't taste good, which is who I want to be. I mean, we have whales and lake sharks and everything under the sun! Guy Kawasaki: 6 Julie Martin's Career Journey. Isn't it? It will blow your mind. I'm front and center, all conservation, all the time. We think it's fine for people to be fishing, and we're here to help transform the seafood and aquaculture business enterprise to one that can be more sustainable into the future. The couple had six children and led a fairly . I'm most excited about reaching the people that maybe haven't thought about the ocean and the importance of engaging in the actions that we need to take to ensure that it's healthy for the future for the benefit of humanity. We will update Julie Packard's Height, weight, Body Measurements, Eye Color, Hair Color, Shoe & Dress size soon as possible. Of course, also the ocean plants produce a lot of oxygen. Julie Packard: Eventually, this led to her father and mother investing $55 million to fund what is now the Monterey Bay Aquarium. We had a huge evolution in our mission, which is actually reflected in our mission statement. Guy Kawasaki: For those who say, "Well, in the best of all worlds, humans would quit extracting any life out of the ocean." It was my older sister, Nancy, and as I said, her husband and a couple of their friends that were involved with teaching and research down at Stanford's Marine Lab, Hopkins Marine Station, the Marine laboratories in Pacific Grove. Julie Packard: Packard became the aquariums executive director by the time the aquarium opened in 1984. Julie Packard: My mother was very traditional, and there were four of us in the family. Well, the greatest threat to the ocean, no surprise, carbon pollution, climate change, climate crisis, whatever the current lingo is for it. Then, the other thing is, I eat jelly fish-- jellies. Temple.He. Julie is an ideal celebrity influencer. Now, there is a program that does that that's called the Marine Stewardship Council, which is the next level. Because the original aquarium, we didn't really have humans so much as part of the story. Seafood Watch is just a set of standards for businesses and fisheries to aspire to. They supported huge public funding initiatives. It's quite remarkable. She has also given money to California State University, Monterey Bay's Division of Science and Environmental Policy. Packard and his wife, Lucile, invested $55 million to make the Monterey Bay Aquarium a reality, with initial studies projecting 350,000 visitors a year. People get confused about it. The one thing about it, that most people don't know, is the ocean is really-- I started to talk about the ocean as our best-- healthy ocean is our best defense against damaging climate change. We spent our summers in the orchard cutting the apricots to make dried apricots to sell. Guy Kawasaki: Julie Packard is the founding executive director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium and has redefined aquariums as a force for conservation. Yeah. You didn't live there? That was kind of a cool thing. My dad, as I said, love vegetable gardening and growing stuff. Julie Packard is an American ocean conservationist and philanthropist. We have myriad scientific research papers on tunas and sharks, the stuff we like to eat and the scary stuff, this Mola, which is like the coolest looking animal ever, no data whatsoever. Honestly, it was pulling teeth. Our board, when I sat in, and our team too, I mean, I think that our team was, "Hey, Julie. I say, get involved in your community and the support policies. If a random person is listening to this podcast and thinking, Oh my God. It's also the philosophy of our family foundation is invest in people and their ideas. Eventually, this led to her father and mother investing $55 million to fund what is now the Monterey Bay Aquarium. It's quite fascinating and become much more powerful than we thought. They're the best. Isn't it? Her date and place of birth are not known to the fans. In fact, my dad was an early supporter of the whole idea of corporate philanthropy, which, in my opinion, still has a long way to go. Packard received a lifetime achievement award from the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation, the Ted Danson Ocean Hero Award from Oceana in 2004, and was named a California Coastal Hero in 2009 by the California Coastal Commission and Sunset magazine. Isn't it counterintuitive you're saying, we want to preserve the ocean and preserve wildlife. My parents, they were all about being productive, contributing, working hard. They keep my ocean blue and teaming with great content. No one has ever made the case, Well, if you're listing the right kind of seafood and all that, you're affecting jobs. Not like, We need coal because there's 50,000 coal miners. Julie Packard: Leadership Julie Packard Media inquiries: (202) 495-4102 or communications@wwfus.org JULIE PACKARD is founding executive director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium and a leading voice for science-based policy reform in support of a healthy global ocean. Here's the name, here's where it's from, here's what it eats. Maybe another little factor too. 2007 NCVMA Veterinarian Of the Year Award Recipient Guy Kawasaki: Guy Kawasaki: Of course, we have this amazing site with the real thing outdoors, which really no other aquarium has a site that fabulous. Oh, yeah? That's a little backstory about the site of the aquarium, which is amazing. We think it's fine for people to be fishing, and we're here to help transform the seafood and aquaculture business enterprise to one that can be more sustainable into the future. Theyre called sardine hoppers. April 1, 2020. We got engaged in some opposition that was really around local politics around land use planning decisions that were coming down at the time. Julie Packard: I feel like there's big money in the seafood enterprise. Ask questions. She did this as research about the impact of humans on the Central California coast. Here's the name, here's where it's from, here's what it eats. Maybe another little factor too. We needed to reflect well on her father at all times and have good manners and be presentable like any mother. Between the times, and being the youngest, I think, or just being very independent, sure, I have those thoughts, but you didn't take my dad on about things. That's where the change begins. Packard was born in Pueblo, Colorado, and was admitted to Stanford University in 1930. 5 Born with Amniotic band Syndrome. It's right at the edge of the Prairie in Colorado. "Wow, okay. I now teach in the school district of my home town and even live in the house I grew up in. I thought she had a full-time job growing up, honestly, and she didn't. In a prior life, I was on the board of the Stanford Alumni Association, and we had many a meeting discussing the mission of the Stanford Alumni Associations. Pretty much, we're okay, and local fish. Can you guess what sea animal she'd like to come back as? What animal or plant or Guy Kawasaki: That's the most important thing. He would tell us about all of those things and we thought they were very exciting and remarkable. I answered that question in a couple of ways. Year one drew 2.4 million people. Jolene Packard Obituary - Visitation & Funeral Information She married the love of her life, Jonathan "Jon" Roy Packard on November 13th, 1993. Eventually, this led to her father and mother investing $55 million to fund what is now the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Julie Packard: Theres something everyone can do with greater or lesser positive effects. It's a slice of old Santa Clara County," said Mary Jaffe, one of Hewlett's daughters. They had the idea that this would be just a super cool thing to do with this old cannery and that, in Monterey, there was no place for all the tourists to learn anything about the bay, and yet that's why they came there. Guy Kawasaki: This weeks Remarkable People podcast features a woman who fell in love with the Monterey Bay while studying science at U.C. They didn't really have plans for it. His door was truly, always open. Menacing Wild Turkeys, Led By Kevin, Are Taking A New England City For Themselves. The whole point is-- we're like, "Well, come meet with us. You didn't live there? Ask questions. Ask questions. In our understanding of what was happening in the ocean, has undergone a transformation, not a big enough transformation in terms of public awareness, but thirty years ago, everyone still thought the ocean was so vast that nothing could possibly affect it. Even though you and I might think, How often do we eat seafood? Americans eat a lot of seafood. Packard, the founding executive director of the Monterey. The way we've been operating, there's just a huge amount of extracting of resources and damaging of ecosystem services that we all depend and on. michigan solar projects. Julie Packard: My goal is to get them to realize the ocean-- If you care about saving nature, you need to talk about the ocean because the ocean is the biggest part of nature. Packard spent much time outdoors, and was always very curious; as a student at University of California, Santa Cruz, her biology professor said she "was able to synthesize and ask great questions. There is no question Julie Packard is the most famous & most loved celebrity of all the time. And then they could come inside and learn about what they had seen or the other way around. She has served on many other boards and committees related to conservation, including the California Nature Conservancy and World Wildlife Fund. TV star Julie Graham left devastated after her Howards End actor husband, 44, was found hanged from a tree in London park. The foundation was funding a lot of different programs in different areas. That was a lot of drama because a city limit line between Monterey and Pacific Grove runs right through the aquarium site, which of course just complicated matters. Julie Packard: Certainly, there were at the time and that's not what that ocean's like. I guess on top of it, you have countries where people are moving up in the middle-class, and it is really increasing demand for beef and meat. Now, tech has sort of just revered as everyone's in love with it, but We moved up in the Hills-- in Los Altos Hills-- kind of above what's now Foothill College. That's starting to change. According to our Database, She has no children. In a prior life, I was on the board of the Stanford Alumni Association, and we had many a meeting discussing the mission of the Stanford Alumni Associations. Of all the places in the world, they picked Monterey Bay to do this live nature broadcast, which was fantastic. We're not asking you for any operating subsidy. But still, you did grow up in the family that, arguably, started Silicon Valley. My dad bought this apricot orchard. Download Monterey Bay itself, the central coast, is totally reviving and thriving. Looking at her contribution, her net worth is calculated to be $110 Million as of December 2022. With her large number of social media fans, she often posts many personal photos and videos to interact with her huge fan base on social media platforms. That really makes a difference. People say-- Public says their best source of information about sustainable seafood is their wait person or the person at seafood counter. Guy Kawasaki: You look out over the valley, there was of course hardly any urbanization at all, and so it was very rural and a lot quieter back then, of course. Of course, we're not, and we didn't intend to do that, but there was a little bit of concern about what does this mean, or what are the optics of this. We had opposition, but that's a whole other story. Julie Packard's net worth Look for the Blenheim apricots. It is jobs, it's millions of jobs, mainly in developing countries, and aquaculture is growing like gangbusters and it provides jobs. I mean, all I can say about it, it's really about what kind of parents we are and how-- and it's not what we say, it's who we are and how we lead our lives. I was the youngest in the family and definitely a bit of the black sheep. She graduated with a bachelor's degree in biology in 1974, and a Master of Arts in 1978,[1] focusing on marine algae. If you fix these two problems, next time around, you'll get a better rating." People would come to the aquarium, if you go to the big open sea exhibit, you'll recognize it. And then, finally, we wanted to really incorporate some of the new museum interpretive techniques that were happening at the science museums, like the Exploratorium, what we all know as interactive exhibits, where people are engaged with the learning. 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